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RE: helloSaturday, April 25, 2009 1:34 AM From: "Carlos Burman"
Dear eiko onoda,

Thank you for your earlier very prompt reply to my email that i sent.

Also thank you for letting me know what you have studied and with whom you studied them with.

well,im quite happy to talk to you about Bible matters after or before a meeting,but of course this is dependant on whether i have time or not and whether i need to get back home or not.
I cannot promise that every meeting day i will be able to have a Bible discussion since i often have many matters to talk with many members at the kingdom hall.

Thus,this is why it may be good at times to discuss Bible matters when its abit more quiet like at a cafe or somewhere neutral.

of course im fine with emailing you and giving you information when i have information available through this particular medium.

With regards to your specific question that you raised lastnight and again this afternoon...you mentioned that, yes, secular history shows that Cyrus of Persia conquered Babylon and that this is viewed as fact by every historian and archeologist.

you asked however,where in the bible is it mentioned that Cyrus of Persia conquered Babylon?..

well if you turn to Isaiah 44:28-45:3 ....in chapter 44 and verse 28 and 45 verse 1 it mentions that "Cyrus" would be Gods "anointed" one whom he would take hold of.

Secular history shows that one night the king of Babylon and his army, being drunk, left the doors open of thier great city.
Secular history also tells that this gave opportunity for the Persian army under Cyrus to get into that mighty city.
The Persian army emptied much of the water that was in the moat around the city so that it was shallow enough for the armies to wade through and to get the river bed.

Thus at Isaiah 45:1 it plainly tells that the"two leafed doors" of Babylons city..."will not be shut"

Furthermore verse 2 describes that "the swells of the Land i will straighten out"(the moat surrounding the city)

Finally verse 3 tell us that the treasures inside Babylon would be given to Cyrus...(which did take place)

So,for the Bible to predict 200 years in advance the very name of the person that would overthrow Babylon and describing the strategy and curcumstances that would take place on that night would be impossible unless it was with Gods power.

At the destruction of Babylon, Isaiah had already died and his bible book was already in circulation...and no doubt after Cyrus had conquered Babylon,the Prophet Daniel who had a high position within Babylon would have informed Cyrus that he had just fulfilled Divine prophecy.

If you look up Ezra 1:1,2 it in part says of Cyrus saying "all the kingdoms of the earth,Jehovah the god of the heavens has given me,and he has commissioned me to build him a house in Jerusalem,which is in Judah".

Cyrus was not a worshiper of Jehovah God and he never became a worshiper of him,however these verses show that Cyrus was told by someone,likely Daniel, that he was the one who was fulfilling Bible prophecy and thus he carried out his god given commission.

I hope this answers most of your question.

Let me know if it hasnt or if there is any other detail you would like.

Carlos

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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:42:35 -0700
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Hello good afternoon, Br Calros..

I was in Kokura for one year and three months. I started attending the meeting for the first time in more than one year last night. My former partner left Japan for America, so he is unable to resume our Bible study as we promised before.

I read almost all publications Watchtower Bible & tract society issued in the past and I don't want to use such publications in our Bible study. In the past we didn't use any books, everytime I raised a question as I asked last night and he answered the question from quoting verses in Bible, so no particular day and time is needed, just twenty minutes after the meeting, that'll be fine.

And now we are in Bible study already. We can use on line in effective way of Bible study. Please send me attachments, etc. you want me to read. I will read and examine them.

My question last night was..History tells Cyrus conquered Babylon and released Jewish people from Babylonian captivity. He allowed them to rebuild Palace in Jerusalem. In yesterday's meeting they said this was predicted in Bible.

Ummm, many prophecy was written in lots of metaphoric words, but is there any description as ' A king in Persia will conquer Babylon and release Jewish people there.'

At that time prophets were in Babylon. Did Daniel prophesy so?

Sure I recall lots of prophecies that predicted Jerusalem's downfall by Nebuchadnezzar. Prophesies were often issured from the point of view of warning to rulers or as just a fabourable future many people hope.

Best regards,
eiko










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From: Carlos Burman <
Subject: hello
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Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 1:09 PM



Dear eiko onoda,

I hope you are well and fine today.

It was nice to meet you yesterday at the kingdom hall of Jehovahs witnesses, however,it was very noisy for me to speak in there and i did promise that i would email you this week or weekend.

First of all, you mentioned that you would like to continue your studies of the Bible...if its ok, could you tell me what book you studied in the past when you were studying with the 2 other people you mentioned?

Also,may i ask...Did you find any particular subject difficult to understand with regards to the Bible?

And finally, what is your purpose of starting a Bible study again?

Knowing the answer to these questions just helps me know what you have done and what to expect and how to go about future studies if we start.

Please also let me know which days and times are best for you to study?


I just wanted to try and answer your question that you posed to me yesterday with regards to whether man wrote the bible after fulfillment...

well consider this: Isaiah wrote about Babylons final situation(please read in your bible Isaiah 13:19,20)

How did things actually turn out?

The facts are that Babylon long depended on a complex irrigation system of dams and canals between the tigris and euphrates rivers.
In about 140BCE this water system was damaged in the destructive Parthian conquest and basically collapsed.

With what effect?

The Encyclopedia Americana says: " The soil became saturated with mineral salts, and a crust of alkali formed over the surface, making agricultural use IMPOSSIBLE".

Some 200 years later Babylon was still a populous city,but it did not remain such for much longer.

By the 3rd century CE, the historian Dio cassius(c 150-235CE) described a visitor to Babylon as finding nothing but "mounds and stones and ruins".

By this time Isaiah had been dead and his complete book in circulation for centuries.

If you visit Babylon today, you would see mere ruins of that once glorious city.

Significantly, many ancient cities such as Rome, Jerusalem and Athens have survived down to our day,YET Babylon is desolate, uninhabited, a ruin......

It is just as Isaiah foretold..his prediction came completely true.

So,Mr Miyazaki..this is one reason we can trust that Bible Prophecy....Maybe you would agree that Isaiah wrote his Bible book around 700 BCE...yet the fulfillment took place of Babylons desolation in the 3rd century(about 900 years later).

Since Isaiahs book was already circulating as a complete book for many centuries,it would be impossible for any one to disagree and change the word of God suddenly...that person would not be allowed and no one would accept his new addition to the Bible.

There are other examples in the Bible ,but i wont send you them right now.

I hope you understood this explanation.Please let me know.

And i look forward to hearing from you soon

Carlos(Jehovahs witness)