Flag this message[ No Subject ]Saturday, April 25, 2009 6:51 PMFrom: "Carlos Burman"
dear eiko onoda,
You seem to be a very philosophic person.
I also feel you like to only belive what you PERSONAlly feel.
You see,a true Christian only obeys and teaches what God has told humans to act on and say.
When Jesus was on earth even though he was a perfect person,never was he opinionated........Even though Jesus knew about electricity back in his day he never tried to be the first person to establish or to make money for himself out his knowledge.
John 12:50 clearly says of Jesus saying "...therefore the things i speak just as the father has told me them so i speak them"
Even though Jesus never spoke of his own personal preference or of his own originality,notice also at Matthew 7:28,29 how the crowds of people reacted to his words that he spoke..it says in these verses ..."Now when Jesus finished these sayings,the effect was that the crowds were astounded at his way of teaching;for he was teaching as a person having authority,and not as their scribes".
Furthermore, 1 corinthians 3:19 says "The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God"...
Thus Jehovahs witnesses do their very best to uphold Jehovah Gods word as written throughout the Bible.
One thing you mentioned was that the Bible is a record of the history and experiences of the Jewish people...but The scriptures that i used above were actually for any person who wanted to follow Jesus back at that time and NOT only the Jewish people. (acts 10:34,35 is but one of the scriptures that tell us this)
Infact it is only from the time of Israel having been chosen as Gods people in the book of EXODUS to the book of MALACHI that its written mainly for the Jewish nation.
From MATTHEW to REVELATION in our Bibles..this is for any people regardless of race ..it is for those to examine the truth and choose whether they too want to become followers of Jesus.
However coming to your specific and personal question as to whether i think that humans are imperfect...
From both a secular standpoint and a Biblical standpoint...most humans would agree that humans today are imperfect, if not very imperfect.
Of course ,i wrote alittle bit earlier in this email that the wisdom of the world is foolishness with God.
Thus the Bible gives us the answer.
Romans 3:23,24 says "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his underserved kindness through the release by the ransom paid by Christ Jesus".
The Greek word for "sin" literally means "to miss".....
The Hebrew word for "sin" means "to fail"
Thus because of sin, humans miss the mark, they fall short of the righteous and perfect standards of God...as the above scripture mentioned...they fall short of the glory of God.
That is why today, we all observe and at times feel the effects of sin when we get sick and become ill...we become old with grey hairs and wrinkles....If we throw in abit of Secular statistics in..according to some neuroscientists..a person uses only 1/100 of 1 percent (.0001) of his potential brain capacity.
Thus even from worldly wisdom and statistics ,if we are all Perfect, why do we all grow old and die with barely any of our brain capacity ever used?
why would God create a brain that holds so much information, yet never allow us to fill it?
Many examples both Biblical and scriptural show that humans are certainly imperfect beings and the very fact that we make mistakes means that we are imperfect...Jesus never made a mistake and he was perfect.
Of course the Bible agrees with you that everlasting life does not mean immortality...Jesus Christ was granted everlasting life yet he died...and if in the future Jesus or anyone were to go completley contrary to Gods commands even if they initially had everlasting life, these ones can still be destroyed.
Thus everlasting life is what Jehovah God initially gave to Adam and Eve in the beginning of human history...im sure you have read the Genesis' account about how they were to take care of a fantastic perfect garden......God gave them everything to satisfy themselves..
Their health was perfect ,their food was perfect, they were both perfect in everyway.
yet they sinned or missed the mark.
everlasting life in the future,will be just as Adam and Eve enjoyed it before they sinned..perhaps even better.
at that time we will have no sickness or disease..we wont grow old and die..we will live for eternity...of course if we ever did disobey gods laws or commands,just like Adam and Eve who were perfect,we too would be destroyed by God..
although in this last part i havnt used any scripture,i assure you that all these points are found in the Bible.
And just also notice, NOT one of the scriptures i have written down or quoted are in the Hebrew text of the Holy Bible which were written mainly for the Jewish people....the remaining 27 bible books are written for all people who want to find truth.
Carlos
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:58:49 -0700
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Subject: Other queries
Hello, good afternoon, Br Carlos..
I read whole Bible five years ago as a secular person. Still I am secular, but I evaluate Christian values a lot. In my impression Bible is basically a book of historic record of Jewish people and their activities, so faith is very different from what this record says. Faith is a matter of our mind, not knowledge.
Christianity in general starts from one premise which is humans are imperfect. This thought derives from what Adam did, so-called an original sin. But every time I hear humans are imperfect, I feel very dubious if they are.
I think humans are perfect. Yes, they often make a mistake. But making a mistake is not a sign of imperfection, rather a hope to further development in future.
Everlasting life doesn't mean individual's immortality at all. Rather it means humans' prosperity will last forever. In today's world our life expectancy is expanding thanks to a development in medicine and organ transplant, etc. , but immortal is nothing but a fear. We live limited lives, therefore we strive.
So here's my questions. Are really humans imperfect? and what is the real meaning of everlasting life?
Best wishes,
eiko
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Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 9:58 AM
Dear eiko onoda,
yes sometimes i find things in the Bible that i never knew were there.
But i guess part of education and learning is finding new points to add to our already existing knowledge.
Infact, a scripture you might know very well is recorded at John 17:3...these words are Jesus' words, and he said :
" This means everlasting life, there taking in knowledge of you,the only true God, and of the one you sent forth,Jesus Christ".
So Bible knowledge through study and APPLICATION of what we learn equates to everlasting life for us individually in the future.
Thus i implore you to carry on your studies of the Bible with a view of applying what you learn.
Please ask me any other question at anytime that you may have in your mind.
Carlos
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